Introduction
Six years after The Rise of Skywalker, Star Wars storytelling is still filling gaps between the sequel films. That is usually good for the galaxy: more context, richer character arcs, and the thrill of seeing threads tied together. Marvel’s Legacy of Vader 8 attempts exactly that by explaining what the Knights of Ren were doing during much of the sequel era and how they found their way back to Kylo Ren before the final conflict.
Yet the issue unintentionally opens a fresh can of mynocks. If the Knights of Ren ultimately serve Emperor Palpatine by the end of The Rise of Skywalker, the new comic raises hard questions about when and how their loyalty to the resurrected Sith Lord makes sense. The result: a new plot hole that rests at the crossroads of Kylo’s leadership, Snoke’s influence, and Palpatine’s shadow network on Exegol.
This analysis walks through what the Knights of Ren are supposed to be, what Legacy of Vader 8 adds, where the continuity strains, and several credible ways Lucasfilm could reconcile the contradictions. It is a friendly guide for readers who enjoy lore but want clarity: not just more mysteries.
Who The Knights Of Ren Are: A Quick Refresher
The Knights of Ren are a cultlike order of dark side warriors defined by three traits:
- They are not Sith: they are marauders who venerate the dark side without adopting the Rule of Two.
- They follow a leader who carries the Ren: a weapon and a philosophy that prioritizes will, violence, and victory.
- They prize results over doctrine: their creed values momentum and fear more than tidy ideology.
In the sequel films, Kylo Ren leads them in name and imagery. In practice, they are often seen as his personal strike team. The movies never show them training under Palpatine or taking orders from him directly. Their on screen actions look like mercenary zeal wrapped in Kylo’s charisma.
What Legacy of Vader 8 Contributes
Legacy of Vader 8 is set between The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. The issue explains two long standing blanks:
Their absence in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi
The Knights were not glued to Kylo’s hip during the first two films. The comic positions them on their own track, engaged in missions that kept them off screen. This move has a clear purpose: it spares the films from having to invent reasons they are missing from Starkiller Base or the Supremacy. It also preserves the sense that the Knights are not a conventional military unit. They orbit power without belonging to a formal chain of command.
Their return to Kylo before Exegol
The issue also charts the road back: how the Knights rejoin Kylo in the lead-up to The Rise of Skywalker. This is the bridge fans asked for. If they fight beside him in the final movie, there needed to be a moment where Kylo reasserts authority and the Knights buy into his immediate agenda.
So far so good. Then comes the snag.
The New Continuity Snag: Who Are The Knights Serving By The End
The Rise of Skywalker ends with the Knights of Ren acting as antagonists aligned with the ultimate plan on Exegol. They serve the side that wants the Sith Eternal to rise, the Final Order to launch, and Palpatine to reclaim the galaxy. In the film’s climax they are functionally Palpatine’s enforcers because Kylo defects. That is simple inside the movie. The complication arrives when Legacy of Vader 8 adds backstory that suggests the Knights’ allegiance is more rooted in Kylo’s charisma and the Ren creed than any devotion to a long dead Emperor.
If the Knights are Kylo’s cult more than Palpatine’s operatives, why do they pivot cleanly to Palpatine’s side the instant Kylo’s loyalty wavers. If Palpatine already controlled them, why would he need Kylo to bring them into the fold between Episodes VIII and IX. The comic’s timing implies the Knights return to Kylo as Kylo consolidates power. Yet The Rise of Skywalker implies Palpatine can command them regardless of Kylo. These two pictures do not quite fit.
The Timeline Problem In Plain Language
To see the tension clearly, line up the beats.
Step 1: Before and during The Last Jedi
The Knights of Ren are not consistently stationed with Kylo. They are pursuing their own violent errands somewhere in the galaxy. Their ethos is flexible, their leadership portable.
Step 2: Between VIII and IX according to Legacy of Vader 8
The Knights link back up with Kylo. The text positions this as a story of proximity and persuasion: the Knights rejoin because the Ren calls to them through Kylo, not because a hidden Emperor flips a switch.
Step 3: Early The Rise of Skywalker
Kylo follows the Wayfinder, discovers Exegol, meets Palpatine, and is offered absolute power. Palpatine’s plan assumes Kylo will lead a Final Order that sits on top of a cult the Emperor has nurtured for decades.
Step 4: Late The Rise of Skywalker
Kylo turns away from Exegol’s plan. The Knights of Ren fight to stop him and later oppose Rey. Their behavior communicates direct loyalty to the Exegol program: which is to say to Palpatine.
When these steps are stacked, a dissonance appears. If the Knights rejoined Kylo because of Kylo, why do they remain steadfastly loyal to Palpatine after Kylo rejects Exegol. Conversely, if they were always Palpatine’s assets, what did Kylo’s mid-trilogy reconnection really accomplish. The comic makes their bond to Kylo feel personal and ideological. The film makes their endgame function feel institutional and hierarchical.
Snoke’s Shadow: The Missing Link That Complicates Everything
There is a second layer to the plot hole: Snoke. In the films, Snoke appears as Supreme Leader and Kylo’s master until Kylo kills him. Later we learn Snoke was an engineered creation within Palpatine’s design. This yields two destabilizing possibilities.
Possibility A: Snoke commanded the Knights through Kylo
If Snoke’s authority was the glue, the Knights’ return to Kylo after The Last Jedi could be read as inertia: they stick with the title Supreme Leader. That would fit their pragmatic outlook. But Legacy of Vader 8 frames their return as more than bureaucratic momentum. It reads like a spiritual re-alignment with Kylo as Ren.
Possibility B: The Knights always carried Palpatine’s silent orders
If Snoke was a puppet, Palpatine could have seeded instructions to the Knights all along. That would explain their quick pivot against Kylo in The Rise of Skywalker. Yet it undercuts the comic’s emphasis on the Knights’ independent creed and their practical loyalty to the Ren rather than to any hidden Sith master.
Either route leaves strands dangling. The comic strengthens the Knights’ culture. The film reduces them to Exegol security. Those two presentations resist an easy merge.
Can The Contradiction Be Reconciled: Five Plausible Fixes
Continuity is elastic in a franchise this large. Here are credible solutions that preserve both the comic’s character work and the movie’s endgame.
1: Dual-track loyalty: creed first, patron second
Frame the Knights as creed-driven first and patron-loyal second. They follow Kylo while his will aligns with conquest. When he breaks with Exegol, Palpatine becomes the strongest available expression of the Ren: victory at any cost. In this model, they do not betray Kylo out of obedience to the Sith. They defect because Kylo’s will softens, which violates the Ren ethos. This keeps the comic’s focus on belief while defending their final allegiance.
2: Conditional oath tied to the Ren itself
Codify a rule inside the Knights’ tradition: whoever proves the strongest embodiment of the Ren commands the order. When Kylo claims the mantle and wins, they gather under him. When Palpatine reappears with the Final Order and the power to erase fleets, he becomes the stronger claimant. The Knights shift accordingly. The comic can show Kylo earning them. The film can show Palpatine outmuscling him.
3: Hidden handlers on Exegol
Introduce a quiet intermediary who keeps the Knights on a retainer for Exegol: quartermasters, armory officers, or cult priests who supply the Knights with gear, intel, or sanctuary. The Knights accept the resources but maintain a mercenary distance. When Kylo leaves Exegol’s plan, the handlers cut support and pull rank. The Knights choose the reliable pipeline over a leader who just walked away from it. That is a street-level explanation that fits their practical nature.
4: Kylo’s temporary command was a test from Palpatine
Recast the Knights’ return to Kylo as an experiment orchestrated from the shadows. Palpatine allows the Knights to run with Kylo between VIII and IX to measure his fitness. When Kylo fails the final test by rejecting Exegol, the leash tightens. The Knights pivot back to the original patron who never stopped evaluating them. The comic’s story becomes a chapter in Palpatine’s larger talent assessment.
5: Fracture inside the Knights that the film does not show
Suggest a schism. A chunk of the Knights follows Kylo to the bitter end but dies or disappears off panel before the final duel. The surviving core is the faction already leaning toward Exegol. The movie shows that faction. The comic shows the broader culture. This fix is inelegant yet workable and preserves both tones: the romantic outlaw cult around Kylo and the brutalist palace guard around Palpatine.
Why These Plot Holes Keep Appearing
Understanding the creative pipeline clarifies why misalignments surface even with good faith coordination.
Staggered production cycles
Comics, novels, games, and films work on different schedules. A late change in one project can ripple awkwardly into another. The Rise of Skywalker’s evolving third act created a gravitational pull that companion media had to orbit without full visibility.
Different goals for different media
A comic issue often aims to deepen character texture: culture, creed, interpersonal dynamics. A blockbuster film must prioritize momentum: clear sides, clear stakes, clear silhouettes. The Knights of Ren are textured in print and simplified on screen. Both choices make sense in context. Friction is the side effect.
The Palpatine wildcard
Any time Palpatine is revealed as the unseen hand, earlier autonomy stories become vulnerable. Every independent villain can be retrofitted into an Exegol puppet. That is a powerful twist but a fragile foundation if not reinforced later. Legacy of Vader 8 reinforces autonomy. The film leans into puppetry. The seam shows.
What Legacy of Vader 8 Still Gets Right
Even with the continuity wobble, the issue contributes meaningful value.
It restores mystique
The Knights feel like a cult again: not just a row of helmets. Their return to Kylo has texture: it looks like a choice grounded in belief rather than paperwork.
It helps Kylo’s arc read cleaner
Kylo appears as a leader who can recruit on creed, not only on fear. That matters when evaluating why many follow him and why his eventual defection hurts his forces. It also reframes Rey’s challenge. She is not just facing an army. She is facing a faith.
It opens productive questions
Good Star Wars stories invite fans to debate ideology: Jedi codes, Sith dogma, Mandalorian honor. The Knights’ creed belongs in that conversation. Legacy of Vader 8 gives fans usable language for it.
A Path Forward For Canon
If Lucasfilm wants to close the gap without retcons that feel clumsy, two steps would help.
Step 1: Publish a short, focused story on the Knights’ Exegol terms
A novella or one shot comic could show the moment the Knights accept Exegol’s support: the conditions, the price, the unease. One scene in the Great Vaults or a ritual with the cult priests could anchor the shift with a single exchange of vows.
Step 2: Clarify the Ren rule in an official guide
A concise creed statement solves a lot. If the Ren doctrine explicitly states that the strongest will commands: problem solved. If the doctrine instead elevates loyalty to the current holder of the Ren over any outside patron: different problem solved. Either way, a single page of canon text would harmonize the competing vibes.
Conclusion
Legacy of Vader 8 does what tie-in stories are supposed to do: it fills gaps and gives fan favorites more definition. In doing so, it accidentally highlights a fault line in the sequel era’s final act. If the Knights of Ren return to Kylo on the strength of creed and charisma, their later role as Palpatine’s blunt instrument needs one more rung on the ladder. That missing rung turns into a plot hole when placed next to The Rise of Skywalker’s endgame on Exegol.
The fix does not require a sweeping retcon. It only needs a clear rule for how the Knights choose patrons or a brief scene that shows Exegol’s leverage over them. Until then, readers can hold two truths at once. On the page, the Knights are believers rallied by Kylo’s vision. On the screen, they are the last wall between a fallen Supreme Leader and his redemption. Bridging those portraits would strengthen both the comic’s character work and the film’s climax, turning a distracting contradiction into a satisfying piece of the larger Star Wars mosaic.